Jamie Lovegrove: Dallas Sidekicks and Coaching

Episode 187 March 18, 2024 00:24:19
Jamie Lovegrove: Dallas Sidekicks and Coaching
Hustle and Pro - Frisco's Sports Podcast
Jamie Lovegrove: Dallas Sidekicks and Coaching

Mar 18 2024 | 00:24:19


Hosted By

Kelly Walker

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Episode 187 – Jamie Lovegrove’s soccer story is from Crawley, England and includes professional soccer, junior college, and now 150 goals with the Dallas Sidekicks. Join us as we sit down with Jamie to hear about Tatu’s influence on him, his brother’s pull that brought him to the U.S., a his own coaching career so far. RESOURCES: Jamie Lovegrove: Sidekicks Bio | InstagramDallas Sidekicks: dallassidekicks.com
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[00:00:02] Speaker A: Welcome to this episode of Hustle and pro. I'm your host, Kelly Walker. We're here in Allen before a Dallas sidekicks game, and we're sitting down with midfielder Jamie Lovegrove. We're going to talk about his time here with the sidekicks and his move from playing pro in Europe to here in the US and a few other things. And so enjoy this episode with Jamie Lovegrove. Welcome to this episode of Hustle and pro. I'm your host, Kelly Walker, and we have Jamie Lovegrove with us. [00:00:29] Speaker B: Hi, how are you doing? [00:00:31] Speaker A: I'm good. Nice to meet you for the first time and thanks for your time. Of course, I know you got a game to play, so I'm excited to be here pre match and I'll stay and watch the game. [00:00:38] Speaker B: You've been to one before? [00:00:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:00:40] Speaker B: Nice. [00:00:40] Speaker A: Yep. We're a soccer family. [00:00:42] Speaker B: There we go. [00:00:42] Speaker A: So, yes, definitely been to one before. So as far as your time here, is this your 8th season? [00:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah, 8th season with the psychics. I think it's my 10th overall. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Okay. [00:00:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:54] Speaker A: All right, well, hope you're honored because this is our fifth birthday week. [00:00:58] Speaker B: There we go. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Of this. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Happy birthday. [00:01:00] Speaker A: I like to get cool guests for my big birthday. [00:01:03] Speaker B: There you go. [00:01:03] Speaker A: Episode. So five years doing this. It's great. So I think you've played in 100 plus ish games. [00:01:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Do you know how many goals you've scored? [00:01:12] Speaker B: It's really funny. Okay. It's really funny you say actually because I fought so for the Dallas psychics this previous weekend, I fought. I scored my 150th for the club. [00:01:21] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Turns out it was my 149th. Hopefully tonight I get 150. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:26] Speaker B: That's kind of going to kind of be a big deal for me personally. Overall stats, indoor only think I'm about 173. I think goals scored career wise, but I'm 149, hopefully getting 150 tonight. [00:01:41] Speaker A: I mean, 150 ish over 100 games. That's great. That's a lot of action and activity out here on the field. So you mentioned indoor. I was going to bring this up, but I'll go ahead and jump into it. Did you play indoor before you moved to the US? [00:01:57] Speaker B: No, I didn't. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Is it even a thing where you. [00:02:00] Speaker B: No, we play in lightning. Well, obviously not lightning, but rainshine all outdoors. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Everything's Crawley. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Crawley, England. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Which is south England. [00:02:09] Speaker A: Crawley. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Gatwick airport is the closest airport to it. Crawley. But futsol now is starting to get into schools back home and stuff like that. But when I first came here, I had never ever heard of indoor in my life. [00:02:21] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Funny how it turns out. [00:02:24] Speaker A: It'S different, but it's the same. [00:02:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:26] Speaker A: And you mentioned football. I was going to ask you, have you played football? So when you talk about the outdoor versus the indoor, what are some of the different skills that you maybe had to, you were surprised that you needed to brush up on or learn or is it really just the same thing? [00:02:45] Speaker B: I think the biggest thing in indoor is that you can use the boards. So sometimes when you go into your one v one matchups, you're able to literally use the board as a player. So it's a give and go around the player, stuff like that. Your own pass. Yeah. The biggest thing that I learned real quick, and I was very lucky to play with a lot of veterans in my rookie season, was your sobbing how long you're on the field and how long you're not on the field. And in this game particular, you can find yourself on the field for too long. And then when you hit your next shift, you are really heavy legged, you're gassed. And it's stuff like that. [00:03:14] Speaker A: There's like a point of. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's literally. So we try to do about a minute to minute and a half. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:18] Speaker B: And then your line partner goes in for a minute, a minute and a half. Sometimes you will run threes. So it'd be minute, minute and a half, and then you're almost resting for close to three minutes, but then you're back in. I love playing in lines of two because it's quicker. You get your subs in and out. I've got a good rookie partner this year in Colin O'Keefe. He does a lot of my defensive work for me, which is nice. So I just play offense, which is great. You've earned that point. Yeah, for sure. My age, yeah. But no boards was one of the biggest ones. And substitutions. And you're lying relationships. Right. If I don't have a good relationship with you and I go in for a minute and a half and you do 15 seconds and I go back in for another, it's going to off. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Balance the group and disjointed, like strategy wise. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Exactly. Right. [00:03:59] Speaker A: You both have to be in sync of your positioning and what you're doing. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:04:05] Speaker A: So that it's not all over the place. That's interesting, though. The quick skirts. That probably was a conditioning adjustment, too, then. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. I mean, when you look at the outdoor game, you're clocking in at about eight to 10 miles over 90 minutes. When you're doing strictly indoor, you're close to about three or 4 miles, but they're not three or 4 miles at a constant speed. It's sprinting, it's resting, it's sprinting, it's recovering, and it's all. I can't remember the word. It's like interval training, basically. Right. So if you're sprinting for a minute, you rest and then rest. Yeah. [00:04:36] Speaker A: Instead of like the moderate. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Yes. Just going off at a certain speed and staying with that all the way, you're literally sprinting to standing still to back into sprinting again. [00:04:44] Speaker A: It's pretty cool. [00:04:45] Speaker B: I've enjoyed it for sure. [00:04:46] Speaker A: I want to ask you about your playing experience with Gordon Jago and tattoo some iconic, like, Dallas players around here. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So Gordon, obviously, he grew up in England, too. He really changed the game for everybody at home and come here and is a massive, massive member of the Dallas psychics community. And I don't think you can ever speak about the organization without mentioning him. We've had some good conversations. When I started, he pulled me to the side and basically told me to calm down because I was very erratic with my first season and stuff like that. And the second person you mentioned was tattoo, and I wouldn't be here without that. I'm very, very thankful for him. There was a period of time in my rookie season where he really put his arm around me and showed me what it was like to be a Dallas psychic. And again, if you're going to learn from anybody, you're going to want to learn from one of the legends. And he still to this day, we have a very good relationship. Obviously, he is on the other side of town with a different team at the moment, and I would love to play for him again at some point. Hopefully it's back here with the psychics, because I think that it'll be a very sentimental moment for him to finish his career where he started it almost. So I'm hopeful that happens because I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. So I would love to play for him again, but no, I owe all of my career mainly to him. [00:06:02] Speaker A: That's a tough part of being in a market like this, where you get close and play with and play for people, and then you have to face them also. And it gets tricky. [00:06:13] Speaker B: It's hard, it's not easy, but I kind of have an attitude about it where I play for this organization, and I give everything to this organization in those moments. And unfortunately, he's not someone that I'm really close to until the game starts. Or till the game's over. Before the game, we're really close. He's very complimentary on how he feels about me, too. And then after the game, obviously we see each other, give each other a big hug. Sure. Yeah. And it's hard, but obviously when you come to the games, I'm here with a Dallas psychic, and this is my priority. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Right. Going back a little bit. The sidekicks were established in 1984. We're here in Allen. I don't know if you guys can see behind us, but the field is down there. There's some dance practices going on, I think, down there. I know, right? And so it's the credit union of Texas Event center is the name of it, and you play in the Major Arena Soccer League. So there's some cool leadership and ownership know over the last several years with Mavsar, Eddie Nahara joining your family, and Hector Rodriguez, which is bringing esports in with. Right. With the founder of Optic. So how have those things, have those things changed anything here with the vibe, the culture? Did they bring? What kind of energy did they bring? [00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I definitely think it's created something positive. Obviously, to have an owner that's been involved in a sport, regardless of which one it is, he knows potentially how to treat players, how to make players feel maybe a little bit more welcomed and stuff like that. I've met him a couple of times in the office. He's obviously huge, but he swallowed me up in a bro hug. But no, he's been great. Hector. I met Hector a few years ago, and since he's been in, he's been trying to get his hands on the group and trying to do what he can, and I think the esports environment is so huge at the moment, it's taken off. So to have someone like him and Eddie and obviously all the other owners that are still here, too, that have kept the organization going, I just kind of hope it stays the same way. And always, our goal is to be better than what the season has given us. Obviously, this year hasn't been so kind to us in results wise and where we find ourselves. We want to be in the playoffs. We want to bring a championship back to Dallas. So with a little bit of luck, those guys can kind of get their looks in this year and kind of improve it for years to come because I definitely don't want this organization to go away. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Right. And those rough seasons, sometimes you just have to be patient. [00:08:35] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:08:35] Speaker A: Let it breathe and figure it out. [00:08:37] Speaker B: There's multiple reasons why it can be, you know, we've obviously had a new head coach in the last two seasons, each one. Coach Ricardinho was here last year. Coach Ed Puske is here at the moment and know he gets his hands on the group and we're learning new things every week. And I don't think we've ever been out of games, and obviously the Monterey game, I think they were a lot better than us. But some of the games we've been in, we've been really close. It's just been here or there. Something's happened, and we've got a bunch of young guys in the locker room and hopefully they can learn. And that's where we as veterans have to step up and kind of give them an arm around them and kind of let them know which direction they should be know. [00:09:13] Speaker A: So saying that with the veteran leadership, and you mentioned some of the coaches, and I know that is also you coach, too, right? So how long have you been coaching? [00:09:22] Speaker B: I've been with FC Dallas now for about five years. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:25] Speaker A: So I would think it's a natural progression for you if you're not on the field as a player, that you're going to be coaching, I mean, in a different fashion maybe than you do now, but tell me about who you coach now and why. [00:09:38] Speaker B: So I have FC Dallas ECL girls team. I'm part of the ECL staff, which I'm very lucky to have that position as well. Going side by side with this. They do a very good job of supporting me. I have the 2010 girls and then we have seven RL and 2011 RL. So we're only on the girls side. But yes, no. Going back to your question about what I'm like on the field or off the field. I very vocal, very vocal with my teammates sometimes. Probably not the nicest, but that's the era I was brought up in. Again, go back to tattoo sometimes. There was definitely situations that were heated, and I still carry that all the way through just because I want to win, and that's the only way I know, obviously a little bit different to 2011 and 2010 girls. [00:10:23] Speaker A: What's your style? [00:10:25] Speaker B: I know a lot, and I big myself up on learning a lot about the sport. So over the years, that's why you're there for that drastically changed. We call it the word joysticking, where I'm not out there telling them what to do, how to do it, when to do it, kind of letting them be more freer. And that's changed over the years that I've been with FC Dallas. I've got incredible coaching staff that works with me as well. And there's sometimes like Tornado. Tornado. And that means I'm getting a little bit too far and then I have to rein it back down in a little bit. But, yeah, no, I mean, I just try to share all my experiences and what I know because again, these girls could be next. Us women's national team players and stuff like that. So, yeah, I definitely have two people. There's psychics Jamie, and then obviously there's FC Dallas. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Jamie, do you feel that being around. You said two thousand and ten s, eleven s and seven. [00:11:13] Speaker B: RL seven. Yeah. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Okay, so that's a range. [00:11:15] Speaker B: High school. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I have that range of children in my house. I have an six and a ten. The six is a girl done playing soccer, but the ten is a boy. And we've been in the scallop system before also. But do you think having that experience coaching that level of girls has changed the way you see the US women's national team and appreciation for that? [00:11:38] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. And I think women's. I'm a dad of four girls as well. I have all girls in my house. Yeah. So hopefully one of them can take up it if that's what they decide to do, either way. But it's been more so since the last few years, especially in England as well, as well as here. Women's soccer has taken off and it's really incredible to be a part of it, to know we've got some special talents inside of our club just like everybody else. And it's becoming a big deal for these girls. I think that it's only going to get better. I think that if there's ever a point of time where Dallas as a community can have a women's team, I think that would be sensational. I really do think it'll be great. [00:12:19] Speaker A: I'm actually surprised that it doesn't happen yet. [00:12:22] Speaker B: Hasn't come. [00:12:26] Speaker A: It's such a natural market for it. I'm sure it's in the pipeline. It's probably been discussed a million times. But I know when Abby Wombat got inducted into the National Soccer hall of Fame in Frisco, that's what I asked, like, what do you say to the girl? All these thousands of little girls around here playing soccer and there's just so much opportunity here. And they can now, especially now, see themselves with those girls on the field. Like with Jaden Shaw. [00:12:52] Speaker B: Right. And that's exactly the person I was just going to mention. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Such a connection. [00:12:55] Speaker B: I was privileged enough to even work with Jaden a few years back. Yeah. And she's an incredible, incredible kid. Like someone who literally eats, sleeps and dreams this sport. And now you've got someone that grew up in Frisco, played in Frisco, played at FC Dallas, played at solar, and now is taken off. I mean, was she like the best player in the Gold cup here recently? [00:13:13] Speaker A: I would say, yeah. [00:13:14] Speaker B: Do you think she's got a little trophy too, as well? And they won it, obviously. So now our connection towards that is our younger girls and inside of the clubs and everybody in the area now is I want to be Jaden Shaw and that's incredible. It really is. [00:13:27] Speaker A: Right? It's great. I love it as a role model for the girls you're coaching and your girls also. So your path, I wanted to start with this originally, but we just jumped in and started talking. So I just kind of want to circle back with your path. I talked to a lot of, I mentioned to you earlier, I work with FC Dallas. A lot of, I don't know, maybe twelve of their players over the years, but a lot of the homegrowns because I like that part of it. When Edwin Serillo and Paxton like talking to them early on and kind of watching them go along and Tesho and those guys and seeing their path, everybody's a little different. Then you have the Brandon Sylvanias who go college, come back. There's such a different path for everybody. And yours is different than a lot because a lot of people that I talk to, I remember sitting across from Reggie Cannon, it's like all I want to do is get to Europe and play soccer and then it's mean. If you want to talk just for a second about your journey from like, I understand that your brother was here and so you kind of came here and I know you went like a college route and all this. So why was the US your choice of your path? [00:14:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So it goes briefly. Back before that, I signed pro out of high school in England. And at that time, when I left high school, it was 16 years old. So I kind of went into the last couple of months of my school at my high school and I was going to be a pro that already agreed a deal to sign with my local team, which was Crawley Town. [00:14:55] Speaker A: So was this a school like an academy? [00:14:58] Speaker B: No, it's just a regular. [00:14:59] Speaker A: So regular high school. That's crazy that you weren't in an academy. You were that young coming out of a regular high school situation. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So going back to my brother, I. [00:15:06] Speaker A: Didn'T mean to interrupt. But I just wanted to picture it like, are you at a soccer school? [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Because I picture everybody over there in soccer school. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Right? So we don't necessarily have one like that. So going back to my brother and using him as an example, when you speak about different paths for everybody, he was in the academy at six years old, and he was in the academy from six all the way to 18, but never actually signed a professional contract. [00:15:27] Speaker A: Wow. [00:15:28] Speaker B: And I sort of did. Again, we talk about the opposite. I only went to academy when I was about 13 or 14 years old. So all the way before that I was playing for my local team, which is the team that my dad is the chairman of back home and stuff like that. So I played locally and really in the nicest way possible, had no ambition of being a professional soccer player. It just was something that I just loved doing. My brother was so disciplined. He was in bed at certain time, he was drinking water, pastas and stuff like that. And I was the opposite. Like, completely like, McDonald's is my go to and still is my go to. Had it on the way here. [00:15:59] Speaker A: No way. [00:16:00] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. Yeah, don't join that. Don't do that, kid. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Not the template. Yeah. [00:16:06] Speaker B: No. So I didn't do it until 1314. And then at 15 years old, I had a tough conversation with my academy and they, along the way basically just said that we don't see you making the group. And when I kind of got that, I wouldn't say necessarily disheartening because it was never something that I've really wanted to do. When I kind of got that news, it was like, can I really do this? Can I really make this my life? And I love football. I loved it even though I was a kid. But it never really hit me so that I could do that. And then I signed pro at the back end of 15, going on 16. I had two years with my local team, which was Crawley Town. A bunch of teams were interested in me, talking about transfers fees and stuff like that. And then I got to a point where I had an agent and that kind of really distracted the journey that I really wanted to go on. And it wasn't a good choice for me. And the agent at the time wasn't a good fit for me either. So I got to 18. I was presented another contract from the team I was on. There was a lot of issues, certainly in the contract, and I eventually turned around and said, no, I don't want to do this. I stayed for about six more months and then I saw the success of my brother and the lifestyle that my brother had here. And I was like, I want to be in America. Like, I wanted a fresh start from England. The three or four years were kind of up and down. I was really good moments, really bad moments, and I thought a fresh start was what I needed. And then that led me to trying to go to the same college as my brother, which was Midwestern state, which is just up the road here, which Star falls grades, because I knew I was going to be a pro. Wasn't very good, so I had to go to junior college and I went to. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Crazy, right? How, like, what your eye is on at that moment and what you aren't. [00:17:49] Speaker B: What it falls back on, for sure. So then I went to Richland junior College. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Stay on your grade, do good in school, no fast food, stay on your. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And I went to Richland junior College and honestly loved my two years there. Tried to transfer back to Midwestern, got into the school, and NCAA ruled me ineligible because of my two years at junior college and then my three years pro back home. [00:18:16] Speaker A: They used those? [00:18:17] Speaker B: Yes, they used those. You only allowed four, obviously. So they took the two from junior college and the three, and they were said, well, unlucky, son, you're done. Which then led me into even more incredible story, which is even how I ended up here in the first place was because I was done. I was like, okay, so I'm now 21 22. I'm going to go home. Going to try, like, rekinder the career back home. [00:18:37] Speaker A: That was 22. Realistically, if you're trying to get on an MLS team for the first time within that club system, even, it's different if they know you already and you've played up the ranks. But as a newcomer into an MLS. [00:18:51] Speaker B: Team, and I was going to take an international spot, too, because I didn't have papers to be here. So I was on a student visa. Those are hard to. And I trained with FC Dallas. I was there for a couple of months under Oscar Pereja and Jose Ma. So I've been alongside Reggie, been alongside Paxton and stuff like that. And it got to a point where that really wasn't a direction I could go because of visa purposes and stuff like that. So I had a family friend call and say, have you ever heard of the psychics? They're coming back? And I was like, yeah, couldn't tell you, right? He said, what about tattoo? And I was, nope, nope. And he said, type in tattoo on YouTube and let me know what you think. And I saw, like, the overhead goal that he scored and I was like, yes. How do I get there? How do I do this? And then I haven't looked back since. So kind of crazy how it all is. [00:19:35] Speaker A: It is kind of crazy. I love it. And hopefully you stay in this market then, now that you're planted. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Yes. No. So recently last year become a. So, you know, visas and paperwork is not a problem anymore. I've got beautiful wife, four kids, so, yeah, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Yeah. And I don't ever see myself leaving Dallas either. So I love it here, obviously with FC Dallas and now how my life is kind of shaped here. It's pretty incredible. [00:20:04] Speaker A: That's great. This was just stupid and random and it might not make the actual episode, but did you ever play on Azuri? You know what? Azuri is okay. You did okay. I think my husband played with you. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:18] Speaker A: Or, no, not with you, against you. When we're here, depending on how long ago it is, most of the roster he knows right from probably playing. So his name's Ryan Walker. You don't know him know him. He just knows he's probably played against you because like I said, he'll look down, he'll like, oh, I know them. I played against them. And so much so that he knows the nuances of what they're going to do and how they move on the field. Love it. He grew up in Plano playing soccer and played in Plano through high school, and that was his main, like his only focus. I met him playing soccer out in college in West Texas. [00:20:53] Speaker B: He didn't go to West Texas a M. Did he? [00:20:55] Speaker A: No, we went to Tech. Love it. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to say we don't West Texas. [00:21:00] Speaker A: No, he played for the Texas Tech men's club team. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Nice. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Which was a good team. And it's funny because a lot of those teammates are our friends here now. And so, like I said, we're a soccer family. And so I was writing down my questions and he was, huh. I think I played against him. Did he play for Azuri? I was like, I don't know. I'll ask. [00:21:18] Speaker B: Yeah, Azuri. Yeah, I played so originally, so when I played outlaw, it was legends to start off with. They had a good group of players there. We went to amateur cups and stuff like that. And then as it sort of come 28 29, I found a spot with Greg Martin over at Azuri. And those guys are good players. [00:21:37] Speaker A: I'm going to say this wrong. I don't know if he grew up with or played with or whatever, but I know he's friends with Matt Grubb. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Which is in your coaching world, right? [00:21:46] Speaker B: Yes. [00:21:46] Speaker A: And then another friend, gosh. High school soccer with Ryan. But when I said, oh, I was talking. He's an fcdos coach also. But when I was talking to him and I was coming here, he said, you got to talk to you. Tony Graham is one of our friends. He coached my son for a little while. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Tony. Yeah, Tony. Two boys, I think they might be with Texans at the moment, but. Good lad. I got a lot of time for Tony, for sure. [00:22:14] Speaker A: We were playing with him at FC Dallas until they kind of made the switch over, moved know. [00:22:23] Speaker B: Believe me, I know. [00:22:24] Speaker A: So then one last thing, like Dallas cup is about to start. Do you go to that? Do you experience? [00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So Ro six s are in it. Ro seven s are in it. Ro eight, nine s are in it. The nine group I had for four years before handing off to Matt. So I'm still really close with some of those families. A couple of the families are here this evening to watch tonight's game. Still stay very close friends with them. So, yeah, I'll kind of be around it at the same time. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Sounds like a lot around it. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I love it. We have a really good thing as far as our staff goes, FC Dallas. So it's me, myself, Gareth Evans, who played here for Oklahoma. Energy. Matt Grubb, Chris Ring, Daniel Bassett, Fraser McKinnon. We're at the fields all day, so if I have an 08:00 game and Matt has a 03:00 game, we're there at seven and we don't leave the fields till 05:00 because we believe in, and I'm sure every club does it to a certain extent, but if he sees something that I don't see in my teams, then we revisit it sort of quickly and he steps in and has an option to speak. And how we do our program at Dallas is each two years you have a new coach. So I do the beginner elementary call it. Then they go to Gareth or Matt and then they switch out Eva on the other side. So we're trying to build relationships all the time. [00:23:40] Speaker A: I love the training, the combined training, coaching. We are at a different club, but it's the same way. My son, after we left Tony's team, we're a sting. Okay, that's not bad. Matt VC is our coach, which we. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Well, that's really all. I just wanted to get to know you a little better and talk about the sidekicks and your journey and all that good stuff. And like I said, we'll be out there cheering for you today. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Thank you so much. [00:24:04] Speaker A: I really appreciate it. Thank you. That's it for this episode of Hustle and pro. Be sure to subscribe vibe on YouTube and Instagram so that you can get notifications on our next episode. We'll see you next time.

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Episode 171: In episode 171 we run through the list of Kip Rodgers’s Top 10 Lies she sees in her practice working with athletes....